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27.11.2020

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"Cheap housing will leave the market"

Leonid Kazinets tells how he built up the most expensive land in Moscow and what he lacks money for

The owner of the Barkley company, Leonid Kazinets, belongs to the first wave of developers - those who opened a business in the early 1990s and worked in a market that was practically unregulated. There were no contests, everything was decided by connections. Up to the point that contracts for the development of the central districts of Moscow could be obtained by verbal agreement with the officials of the prefecture. For example, Kazinets was offered an investment contract for the development of the entire Ostozhenka: “He refused, why do I need all of Ostozhenka, he took several houses to work”. Nevertheless, Barkley is known as the company that built the most expensive houses in the most expensive area of \u200b\u200bMoscow. Now Kazinets says that it was he and his partners who "promoted Ostozhenka to the skies." Today the company practically does not build small club houses - mainly large projects. Why this happened, how the market has changed and why it is impossible to make forecasts, Kazinets tells in an interview with Vedomosti.

Leonid Kazinets appointed Sobyanin's advisor

Chairman of the Board of Directors of Barkley Corporation Leonid Kazinets has been appointed advisor to the Moscow mayor. Sergei Sobyanin signed the corresponding order on Monday, April 8.
link: http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics / news / 10983351 / leonid_ kazinec_naznachen_sovetnikom_ sobyanina

Corporation "Barkley" has reduced its debt burden to 2 billion rubles

The total debt of the Barkley corporation from 2008 to the present has decreased from 10 billion rubles. up to 2 billion rubles, said the chairman of the board of directors of the developer Leonid Kazinets. And he promised to build new facilities in 100 days.

According to him, the decrease in debt was due to the high rates of construction and housing sales. “We build three to four times faster than other companies operating on the Russian market,” he says.

Leonid Kazinets headed the working group of the Agency for Strategic Initiatives - "Simplification of procedures for obtaining construction permits"

On March 1, 2012, the Agency for Strategic Initiatives identified participants in four working groups on pilot projects that are part of the national entrepreneurial initiative to improve the investment climate in the Russian Federation. The project “Simplification of procedures for obtaining a construction permit” was headed by Leonid Kazinets.

The working group headed by Leonid Kazinets includes members of the Leaders' Club, representatives of the business community, federal executive authorities and leading experts in the construction industry.

Within two months, the working group will develop a roadmap - a step-by-step project implementation plan - containing a description of the current situation, target state and a list of measures to be taken to simplify the procedures for obtaining construction permits.
link: http://www.sro-rspp.ru/news/ 130

Leonid Kazinets will speak at the panel discussion "What drives the real estate market?" within the framework of the Russia 2012 Forum, which is being held by Sberbank of Russia and Troika Dialog

In the period from January 30 to February 4, 2012, the traditional "Forum Russia" will be held in Moscow for the fifth time. The upcoming Forum is being held jointly by Sberbank of Russia and Troika Dialog in a new, expanded format and promises to be even more interesting and diverse in topics and more representative in terms of the level of participants and speakers than in previous years.

Leonid Kazinets, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Barkley Corporation, will speak at the discussion dedicated to construction, development and real estate issues "What drives the real estate market?" The event will be attended by Deputy Mayor of Moscow for Urban Development Policy and Construction Marat Khusnullin; Aram Grigoryan, Managing Director of Troika Dialog; Renova President - StroyGroup Veniamin Golubitsky; Igor Levit, Chairman of the Board of Directors of LSR Group; Dmitry Mints, Chairman of the Board of O1 Properties, and Black Gordon, Senior Managing Director of the Haitman Private Equity Fund.
link: http://www.expert-govrf.ru/ component

Childhood fears

Three years have passed since the adoption of the Law "On Self-Regulatory Organizations". Now we have about 500 SROs in the construction, survey and design industries, more than 200 thousand licenses have been issued, while about 80 thousand approvals have been received. This means that not everyone who claims to create an SRO can carry out their plans. link: http://www.rg.ru/2011/04/26/ small.html

I am sure that housing prices in Moscow will be higher than before the crisis

Many experts argue that the real estate market will never be the same as it was before the financial crisis that began in Russia in 2008. However, the chairman of the board of directors of the Barkley corporation, Leonid Kazinets, is not one of those pessimists. In his opinion, housing in Moscow will still greatly increase in price, and it is possible that with an avalanche speed.

About how much residential real estate in Moscow can increase in price in 2011, why the cost of elite apartments should grow faster than economy-class housing, and how now "Barkley" is building its relations with banks (or rather, with one bank), Kazinets told in an interview with RIA Novosti - Real Estate.
link: http://www.riarealty.ru/ mortgage_interview / 20110127 / 107232.html

Leonid Kazinets: "The country's leadership not only understands some things, but actually realizes them"

Leonid Kazinets wants to expel from Moscow "non-ambitious"

Ogonyok magazine some time ago published an “outlook” interview with the first vice-president of the Russian Builders Association Leonid Kazinets. Kazinets took a quite unambiguous position: Moscow is the “right get-together”, and people whom he defined as “non-ambitious” have nothing to do here. “Imagine that you are at a reception, where it is rather hot, rather stuffy, maybe even not very tasty food, but those oligarchs, those officials that you need are sitting around. You wipe the sweat from your forehead, stretch your tie around your neck - but don't leave the room. Moscow is about opportunities and contacts. This is the right hangout. It's like New York. Living there is also terrible. But everyone who wants to climb goes there. This is one of the world's centers of gravity. And who said that the center of gravity of the world should be green and quiet? " - said Kazinets, and in response to the objection of the journalist "Ogonyok" that it is actually very possible to live in London, he said that "it is very bad to live in London if you are doing business."
link: http: //www.business-magazine. ru / profiles / opinions / pub285071

Moscow business rules from Leonid Kazints

Barkley and Kazinets have existed on the Moscow construction market for as long as this market itself exists. How to survive the financial crisis and change of power in Moscow, Leonid Kazinets told Slon:
link: http://slon.ru/economics/ pravila_moskovskogo

"Moscow is the right hangout"

It became known last week that the president had extended Yuri Luzhkov's term as mayor of the capital. For many Muscovites, this means one thing - the building monster will continue to attack the city. Perhaps the builders themselves have a different opinion about the future of the capital? Ogonyok spoke with Leonid KAZINTS, First Vice-President of the Association of Builders of Russia
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The chairman of BARKLI corporation Leonid Kazinets is one of the 500 richest Russians according to Forbes magazine, so it was logical to assume that the billionaire would throw a feast on the whole honest world. However, the wedding turned out to be quite modest. The newlyweds decided not to hold banquets following the example of the marriage of their son Gutsiriev, to whom Iglesias, Jennifer Lopez and Alla Pugacheva flew to the celebration, but limited themselves to an open party in the Pirogovo yacht club near Moscow.

Moreover, the young people signed in advance at the Griboyedov registry office in Moscow, so as not to tire the guests, and already this weekend they arranged a festive celebration. True, the bride still did not deny herself the pleasure of putting on a wedding and a veil, in which she was a miracle how beautiful. The head of the PR department of the AHML, Yulia Khasia, became the chosen one of Kazints. She thanked the assembled guests the next day for helping to arrange a real holiday.

“We have the best friends in the world, thanks to whom we were surrounded yesterday with such warmth, which will now give us a lot of strength to go forward and only together. It was all wonderful and very difficult, but no less pleasant from it. Leonid Kazinets, you are my hero, who flew by parachute to the ceremony and immediately after that rolled me on his shoulder, while balancing on a gyro scooter, ”my wife wrote.

According to the media, in total, the costs of the wedding cost the oligarch only six million rubles. Of these, 4.5 million were spent on payment for the site and entertainment for guests. The culmination of the evening was the first dance of the young - Leonid and Yulia appeared in front of the guests on mini-segways and danced the first dance on them.

Today I was, perhaps, at one of the most beautiful weddings I have ever seen: a picnic on the lake, silly surprises, friends, good weather, cool music, no one asks anything from anyone, everyone is good, pretty and beautiful. And I, looking at my friends getting married, again thought about what an interesting thing - love. How it changes people, their attitude to certain things, to themselves, how it opens the world and ourselves to the world. About how stupid we were when we did not love, how pompous, bad and important not in business, how we indulged our pride and ambitions, not knowing about the innermost and what awaits us. And how helpless and strong we became when we learned to be ourselves. This is all sentimental, I understand, but at someone else's wedding usually you always not only smile like a fool for your friends, but also think to yourself and your life. And it is about this that my heart is now compressed very strongly. Julia, Lenya, great Travel to you! Thank you for the happiness to love you and to be with you this day.

For comparison, at the wedding of Gutseriev's son, only the bride's dress cost 25 million rubles. And the first wedding day in Moscow could cost the oligarchs several million euros. This budget included superstar royalties, a bride's dress, tastefully decorated interiors of the restaurant where the celebration took place, meals for guests and a wedding cake almost two meters high. Then there were more than 600 guests.

Among those invited to Kazinets' wedding, by the way, there were only 120 guests, among whom were the hockey player Alexander Ovechkin, figure skater Tatyana Navka, RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan and volleyball player Ekaterina Gamova.

By the way, the wife of the president's press secretary Dmitry Peskov published a photo where, together with other guests, they rejoice at the celebration and wrote that even here she does not forget to portray "Carmen" (an ice show in which she plays the main role)

Leonid Kazinets is a member of the Council for Housing Policy and Increasing the Affordability of Housing under the President of the Russian Federation. As an entrepreneur and developer, he is directly involved in the implementation of his policy on this issue and has led the reconstruction of more than 300 properties in the capital. He is the director of the Barkley Corporation, a leader in housing and luxury construction in Moscow. In addition to business and political activities. Kazinets is fond of several sports close to extreme: he is a candidate for a master in mountaineering and sailing, a master of sports in parachute jumping. Kazinets is one of the top 500 richest people in Russia according to "Fordes" and probably started creating his own dynasty. Julia Hassia became the wife of Leonid Kazints.

The acquaintance of the future newlyweds took place, no doubt, in the service: Yulia is in charge of the public relations and information sector in the Moscow Department of Cultural Heritage. She graduated with honors from Moscow State University with a degree in Tourism and is fluent in English and Spanish. How many years the acquaintance of the 28-year-old blonde beauty and the 49-year-old billionaire lasted is unknown, but they came to the decision to tie their fates in 2016. Their wedding, not very luxurious in terms of the capital's beau monde, cost 6 million rubles, but nevertheless made a great impression on eyewitnesses.

The main features of this celebration, which took place in July 2016, were not only the place of its holding: the elite yacht club of the Moscow region "Pirogovo", but also the organization itself. There was no common table. The entire area of \u200b\u200bthe celebration was divided into conditional zones by country: France, China, Brazil, Spain and Italy. In each of these zones, the cuisine of the chosen state reigned. Dishes made from meat, fish, seafood and vegetables have become culinary masterpieces from the hands of skilled professional chefs. They were complemented by bars in the spirit of national characteristics. A separate surprise for the guests was the dance of a young couple on mini-segway, striking in its dexterity.

This wedding was attended by 120 guests, mainly families of respectable businessmen, state-bureaucratic elite and celebrities of the rank of Tatiana Navka and Alexander Ovechkin. The musical arrangement of the event cost 300 thousand rubles, about 4.5 million was spent on organizing the wedding itself, the remaining one and a half million were hardly spent on a wedding dress and wedding rings: information about their price was not discussed. The newlyweds spent their honeymoon on the Cote d'Azur.

Among the Russian oligarchs, a tendency has emerged to choose women as companions in life, who can become not only a decoration of the hearth and mothers, but also real comrades-in-arms, reliable and understanding. The fashion for thoughtless long-legged beauties is passing, giving way to the search for a combination of intelligence and attractiveness, multiplied by good taste. The young wife of Leonid Kazinets does not look like a secular dummy and, according to rumors, intends to continue her career.

"People can no longer buy with their money"

- Recently, a law was passed that radically changes the requirements for developers and their relationship with home buyers. How do you rate these changes?

- Generally satisfied. Many of the amendments that passed were initiated by NOZA (National Association of Housing Developers, headed by Kazinets - Vedomosti) and the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs. If it were not for our joint work with the Ministry of Construction and Dom.rf, no amendments would have passed and we would have received the law that was adopted a year ago. Simply impossible to execute!

- But even in its present form, it turned out to be harsh. How realistic is it that developers will be able to work under the banking support mechanism, which will start working on July 1? On escrow accounts?

- There is not even an escort case. Look, we have now sold apartments in new buildings for 4.7 trillion rubles. Completing these projects requires another RUB 1.3 trillion. Bank loans have been issued today for about 600-700 billion rubles, and developers' equity capital is also for 700 billion rubles. In total, the entire construction is estimated at 6 trillion, of which 1.4 trillion is money from developers and banks. If we are cut off from the money of equity holders [buyers], then it is necessary for bank financing to increase 10 times in 2–3 years.

- Is it possible?

- I don’t know how banks will solve this problem, where the 5 trillion rubles will come from. bank project financing. The amount of debt for the project will accumulate, developers will service interest from their money, and then we will sell apartments taking into account this financial burden.

- That is, 10 times more expensive?

Leonid Kazinets

owner of Barkley Corporation

Was born in 1966 in Moscow. Graduated from the Faculty of Applied Cosmonautics of the Moscow Institute of Engineers of Geodesy, Aerial Photography and Cartography. He completed training under the program for managers and top managers at the INSEAD business school (Paris). PhD in Economics

Worked in the cooperative "Alpindustria"

Opened a small enterprise "Emtekhstroy"

Founded the investment and construction company Barkley Corporation

- No. The price will be like on the secondary market. Otherwise, apartments will not be bought. Price is not a derivative of costs. Costs will certainly rise, but we are trying to figure out if demand will rise. To do this, one must understand the real dynamics of the population's income. She's not so optimistic.

The developer economy is becoming more complex on two sides. Sales are falling because household incomes are falling. Mortgages grew - a positive factor, but the total volume of transactions increased by 10%, and mortgages - several times. This suggests that people can no longer buy with their money. Considering the mentality of our citizens - I would definitely buy with my own money, not credit - this means that there is absolutely no opportunity to buy with my own money.

Now the following will happen: the number of projects being started will begin to fall every day. If the developer does not start construction before July 1, 2019, then further - the economics of the project will be different.

- And that will be? What are the forecasts for the market?

- I don't want to make predictions. I do not know.

- Will the new scheme protect equity holders [buyers]?

- Absolutely. After all, the money will be under the targeted control of the bank.

- Are there any risks that now large developers will create banks for themselves and continue to work in the old fashioned way?

- Impossible. Top 50 banks are working with these projects. Try to make a bank [included in] the top 50. It's easier to build with your own money.

- Is that what you're going to do?

- So the price will still be higher than it is now?

- It is obvious that cheap housing on the pit will leave the market. The banking control system will not allow selling at the start at cost. Let's see how it all works.

"Small projects are difficult to do"

- What is Barkley now?

- Holding. There is a management company JSC "Barkley", which 100% owns subsidiaries and affiliates, design and service. There is a company that manages houses, another designs, there is a customer, there is a general contractor. There are design organizations where we own a part of the shares, as a rule, these are projects that are financed by us jointly with partners.

- That is, you do not have a 100% share everywhere?

- In many of our design companies, shares are partially owned by financial groups. Either it is a personal investment, friends & family.

- What are these financial groups?

- These are financial groups that have given and are giving part of the money for the purchase of land plots, but, unfortunately, I cannot name them.

- What projects do you currently have in the active stage?

- In Krekshin "Honey Valley" - three lines. There is also a shopping mall, next to it we are planning a project in new Moscow. We are building up the territory of the "Ferein" plant. Another TPU for 300,000 sq. m in Khimki, where we received all the documents, we are looking for partners for infrastructure, because the largest part there is trade, and we do not deal with such objects.

- A risky project.

- Very good, there is a turn to Sheremetyevo. A cash generator in good times would be like an oil well, a bonanza. If I had loans, at least 8 percent per annum, I would have gone to the construction site. But when money costs 16%, this is unrealistic.

- All your projects are big. In the past, Barkley built a lot of small club houses. Has it become unprofitable?

- There are practically no small club houses. Everything else is big projects: 300,000-900,000 sq. M. m.

With the current cost of entering the project, when all the owners want money for the plot right away, it is difficult to make small ones. Everything is overrated. I think that now all the owners of land plots will begin to "drain" plots. Because developers have stopped buying. To make land plots of interest to developers, they must become 5-10 times cheaper.

Other golden parachutes

The name of Leonid Kazints is twice entered in the Guinness Book of Records for world records in parachute acrobatics. For 10 years the Russian national team has been represented by the Barkley parachute group acrobatics team, one of the strongest in the world. “We played in eights and fours in all national and international championships, became, among other things, multiple prize-winners of world championships, multiple champions of Russia,” Kazinets says. He almost completely financed the team's performances at his own expense: “I was interested, there was an opportunity to pay a salary, take the team to cups and championships<...> We made a unique jump to the seven-thousander, to Lenin Peak. At first they wanted to introduce us to the award - the Hero of Russia, then it turned out that it was necessary to collect papers, go around, draw up for a long time ... In general, they will give - thank you, they will not give - it's not scary, this was not done for awards. "

- Are they getting cheaper?

- You can bring 100 new Rolls-Roys to Moscow. But why? If you want people to buy from you, bring better 100 new ones Toyota ... That is, now those who bought luxury will buy business; those who bought the business will buy comfort; those who bought comfort will buy economy - we have from 1.7 million rubles. in the new Moscow. The purchasing power has decreased, so for the project to pay off, the admission ticket must be reasonable. There are two options: either the owner of the land plot lowers the price and he manages to find a partner or buyer, or he does not, suffers losses and the land plot goes to the state. Until the land plots become 10 times cheaper, no one will buy them. At 2-3 - no longer interesting. We had transactions for the purchase of plots: the price during the negotiations was reduced by 5 times! Conventionally: the site costs 500 million rubles, and the seller asks for 2.5 billion rubles.

- Last year you had difficulties with financing Barkli Residence and Medovaya Dolina in new Moscow. Why?

- There were no difficulties, this is unscrupulous gossip. Sberbank has money in Medovaya Dolina, where financing is excellent. Nobody stopped a credit line for us, did not make claims to us. We had a delay in the commissioning of the first stage, the objects were commissioned not at the end of last year, but at the beginning of this. But they did everything, finished the landscaping.

"I am lucky to have people I trust"

- How did you become a builder?

- In 1988 there was such a construction cooperative "Alpindustria", where a group of climbers gathered and were engaged in industrial mountaineering. The business was that we did not install scaffolding on tall buildings, but did all the work straight from the ropes - and did it quickly. We earned as much in a month as a builder earned in a year. Someone died, someone remained alive, life was like that. Somewhere in 1989-1990. opened a small enterprise "Emtekhstroy" under the executive committee of the Moscow City Council, and in 1993 he already created "Barkley" - as a construction company that renovated buildings. Gradually they began to engage in investment projects, and not just contracts. Although even now we sometimes carry out general contractor work for third-party customers.

- What were the first projects?

- At some point, we were contractors for the housing and communal services of the Moscow government - we did scheduled preventive maintenance, overhaul of facilities, then we began to finish building the buildings. For example, the Preobrazhensky Palace of Creativity for Children and Youth was completed. We also built many facilities for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Main Directorate of the Tax Police in Moscow [administration building], many facilities for the prosecutor's office and courts.

- There were very correct objects.

- Well, yes, not bad. (Laughs.)

- Did it help you to acquire the necessary connections?

- Always what you do well helps; find people in any field with whom you make human contacts. I am lucky to have people whom I trust and with whom I have contact. Until we let each other down, I try to work with them, communicate. There are such people in all spheres - after all, there are athletes everywhere who are interested in parachuting, triathlon, alpine skiing, wakeboarding, paragliding, hand-to-hand fighting, etc.

- Do you give people a second chance?

- If this is a mistake - of course, yes. If some kind of deliberate meanness - probably not. It is impossible to structure everything and give a universal answer, life is so multifaceted. You have to ask people what, why and why. Do not rush to fall in love, do not rush to be disappointed, try to be balanced.

- Does it work?

- Not always either.

"Barkley Corporation"

Owner (company data) -.
Leonid Kazinets ..
Revenue in 2017 (consolidated, company data) - 30 billion rubles.
Development projects portfolio - 2.7 million sq. m.
It was established in 1993. During this time, it has built and reconstructed more than 300 objects with a total area of \u200b\u200bmore than 870,000 square meters. m.

- You give the impression of a very emotional person who can just break easily, no?

- No. I rarely raise my voice, I never insult people, I don't swear, it makes no sense. Maybe a really emotional person, but it's well controlled. If you are going to continue the relationship with a person, what's the point of offending him? And if you are not going to deal with him further, then what is the point of offending him? Why leave scorched earth behind? Even when I fire my employees, I invite them to a personal conversation, I issue a manual, I give objective recommendations. If a person has worked with you for a year, two, three, five years, he probably has something good in him. Well, don't write that he is super-performing, write that he is creative. There are many former employees of Barkley - in various positions, including government officials, we still communicate.

"We created Ostozhenka"

- What was the first development project for Barkley?

- Business center on Bolshaya Nikitskaya, 17. In 1997 we got the project for debts, we completed the construction, rented it out.

- Who were your first partners?

- I created this company first alone, then with a friend - Stanislav Tikhonov, now he works in one of the real estate companies. For some time he and I planned to engage in financial transactions, but not everything worked out, I bought out 50% of the shares from him, and then I built everything myself. In another period of time, in the general contracting business, I had a very good partner - Nikolai Grigorievich Novichkov. I met him by chance: my car broke down, I was standing, voting, a Moskvich stopped, we got into conversation on the way, we came to a construction site, and Nikolai said: “Well, let's go and see.” It turned out that he was the former head of the remstroytrest, which was closed. We started to work with him, he became a fairly wealthy person, but died suddenly due to health problems. After his death, part of the shares of the joint project was inherited by his spouse, and I maintain good relations with his family.

- How did you get Ostozhenka?

- I performed contract work at Ostozhenka (in the 1990s - "Vedomosti"), interacted with Vera Khudalieva and Alexander Muzykantsky (Muzykantsky was the prefect of the Central Administrative District, Khudaliev was a deputy of the Moscow Soviet. - "Vedomosti"), who offered me an investment contract for the whole of Ostozhenka. He refused, why do I need all of Ostozhenka, he took several houses for work.

- And who received the contract for the entire area?

- Several companies have appeared there. Then all these reconstruction rights were resold for $ 1000-3000 per sq. M. m. People have made hundreds of millions of dollars by reselling these renovation rights.

- At that time it was already a prestigious area?

- No, it was not, we created Ostozhenka. The first houses he built, for example, on Prechistenskaya embankment, they were initially sold for $ 800 per 1 sq. m.

- How did the “golden mile” come about?

- Borya Kuzinets (he later left for Israel) and Barkley started mainly.

- You were called Ku and Ka.

- Yes. Here we were building - the first, second, third, and each tried to build better. We had a competition. And everyone tried to attract the best designers, build more beautiful, faster, sell more expensive. He built a dozen houses on Ostozhenka, about the same as me. And we promoted Ostozhenka to the skies. Now we are promoting Zamoskvorechye - we are building the most expensive house there, the Barkli Gallery.

- How has the quality of luxury houses changed since then?

- The design and engineering have become better - we always invite high-level specialists. For example, [French designer] Philippe Starck did Barkli Park with us, Barkli Virgin [did] with [English designer] Kelly Hoppen - the project won an award in 2012, Barkli Residence - with [American architect] Robert Stern. We have now invited Marcel Wanders, the number 1 designer in Europe, who is included in the top 20 people defining the style of the world according to Forbes magazine. He does the Barkli Gallery.

- How much more expensive does the project make the participation of such stars?

- For several million euros, but these costs give a different quality. True, you need to tinker with them. They also have high self-esteem, they have their own opinion. We need our managers to speak good English, etc. We have a group of adapters within the company - that is, if international stars of architecture and designers make a project according to their own standards, we do additional work in accordance with Russian standards.

- Recently, on the first floor of a new building, they showed me a room for washing dogs' paws. This is something new?

- It may be, but then it quickly turns into warehouses, wheelchairs ... We believe that after all, dogs need to wash their paws at home, we don't take off our shoes when entering the entrance. (Laughs.) The project must be of high quality - to go into the hall and say: "Wow!" For example, in Barkli Virgin, we removed a piece of the second floor and we got a hall with a height of 6.5 m. For this project we received the European Property Awards in the category "Best House".

- Do you live in a house that you yourself built?

- Yes, next door. I had a large penthouse at Virgin, but during the crisis I needed money for development, and I sold it.

"I drive a car that is five years old"

- Do you remember how you earned your first million?

- On contract work.

- What did you spend on?

- For business development.

- That is, not that you ran to buy a yacht or an airplane?

- There was no plane or yacht. What for? You can have a great rest without it: ride a kite, go to the mountains. I believe that having your own real estate and yachts interferes with an interesting vacation. If you want to travel, you can go anywhere. And if you are attached to some expensive objects, then there is no such freedom.

- Are you not a greedy person?

- I hope not greedy. Mikhail Rudyak [the founder and owner of the construction company Engeokom] taught me at one time, a wonderful person. Once Misha and I were flying from somewhere, a plane lands in Moscow, a call: “Remember, we once studied with you? Such a situation: my mother is in the hospital with a serious diagnosis. Help to hospitalize. " How much do you need? Several thousand dollars. Good. Gives the person the number of his assistant. And I say to Misha: "Misha, is this your good friend?" “No, nobody at all. But if a person really asks for the treatment of his mother, to the hospital, and I have this money, how can I refuse? It is important that the assistant will go and check that this is not for entertainment, but really for treatment. " I remember this: if you are asked to help and it is a matter of life and health, how can you refuse if you have them? For a long time there was one episode: with a friend, we jumped with a parachute; not that we were close friends, but we were comrades, we once began to study in one section. He calls at 5 o'clock in the afternoon and says: "Too lazy, listen, we need to talk." I say: “Listen, Vadich, now there is a meeting, let me call you in an hour. I only called him in the evening. The phone does not answer or answer. Then at midnight one more comrade calls me - Vadich hanged himself. They began to understand: he owed money to people, they began to terrorize him, at that time a lot of money - $ 80,000. Well, the bandits pressed him, then it was possible to solve this problem. But it turned out so - I will call later, then I did not have time. He left a pregnant wife in the sixth month, the guy hanged himself. So, if you can help people, do it here and now.

- Have you made any conclusions?

- I remember, yes. Do what you can.

- And when did you realize that you are a rich man?

- Never. There was always not enough money. And now I drive a car that is five years old. There is simply no extra money to change the car now. I wanted to buy myself a private house, a residence in Moscow, I bought a small house with 6 acres of land in private ownership in the area of \u200b\u200bDonskoy Street. Then a car factory was sold nearby - I bought a car plant, then Donskoe Baths were already sold nearby - I bought them, as a result, I built two Barkli Residence towers on this place.

- Why do you say that you have to save, there is not enough money? In theory, the person who built up the most expensive land in Moscow should be at least very rich.

- Because everyone made money in our business - officials, banks, thieving managers, and somehow it always turns out that everything I earn is invested in new projects.

In general, I do not know a single person in Russia who would have become rich in development. Not a single one at all. There are almost no people in Russia who would earn a lot in business, in the real sector. Not a commodity, when oil, or an aluminum smelter, or gas got out for two kopecks, not on the road, but who went from scratch, created, earned, did - not much. We can say that agricultural women, but they also did not buy this land for the real market value, that is, they got hundreds of hectares almost free of charge, the state helped with cheap loans. And then someone survived, but many did not. In general, it seems to me that the fate of a businessman in Russia is in question.

- Why then work?

- Well, I can’t do anything else. I love to build. Well, when you walk around Moscow, the eye rejoices and the soul of the beauty that there is an opportunity to create.

"I was disciplined"

- You graduated from the Faculty of Applied Astronautics. What would you do if you went by profession?

- Very applied history - physical and mathematical modeling, we did calculations, trajectories. Essentially, this is intelligence. Participated in the creation of programs for special forces - parachute saboteurs. That is, of you we can prepare a person who at night from 10 km from a civilian side at high speed can land at the Capitol in Washington.

- Why is that?

- You had to live on something. Life in the USSR was very poor. Mom worked at a secret space institute, but all the same, you can't live on it very much. I have worked as a climber-installer, on construction equipment, a truck driver, a taxi driver, a painter. In parallel, he studied, graduated with honors from the Faculty of Applied Astronautics, wrote his first dissertation, did not defend, then studied at the INSEAD business school, then defended his second dissertation.

- Why wasn't the first one protected?

- And then it didn't make sense. In 1989, I was assigned to the State Oceanographic Institute, and until 1991 I wrote my dissertation. Well, that's all - already perestroika, science is not needed, not funded, salaries are not paid. And the dissertation was. Then he went to Germany and worked there too. Science, like a jealous girl, requires complete concentration if you want to achieve something. My scientific advisor is Boris Levin, now the head of the Institute of Marine Geology and Geophysics of the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a world magnitude, I wrote a dissertation with him, did experiments with him. On the line of parents, many people were engaged in science: my grandfather's cousin is the chief designer of the Queen Boris Evseevich Chertok. He passed away at the age of 99 - missile military projects he did everything. My own grandfather was a professor of medicine.

- And what about the second dissertation?

- I wrote a PhD in self-regulation in the construction industry. We wrote the SRO law with Viktor Pleskachevsky 10 years ago, when the topic was just emerging.

- Why didn't this system work?

- It, like many other democratic institutions, cannot take root at the moment.

- Why?

- Complex issue. There is no direct answer to it. There is still no direct answer as to why a child born in Russia has a life expectancy comparable to Cape Verde, an archipelago (!) A few hundred kilometers from the northwestern coast of Africa, where there is no medicine at all. Question: do we smoke a lot? No, Italians smoke more. Do we drink a lot? Answer: The French drink more. Do we have bad medicine? Answer: There is almost no medicine in Cape Verde. Why do people live less here? Stress level. I think that no other country has had such a genocide against passionaries as we have. The same Lev Nikolayevich Gumilyov, the author of this theory, the son of Anna Akhmatova, is a man with a difficult fate. His father was shot in 1921 in St. Petersburg. He himself was repressed, that is, a world-class scientist did not get out of repression, he was practically banned. How can you improve your scientific theory in such a situation? Because if he had improved, many things would have been clearer. There is a theory that this is genetically passed down through generations.

Not only is it transmitted, but there is also a very simple but tough experiment. They take mice, put in a cage, and some very specific smell is given, for example, bird cherry. And at the same time they are shocked, not fatally, nothing, but the paws are unpleasant. They jump, fuss - it is clear that they are beginning to change their behavior. Then these mice have offspring. And this offspring has never been energized. And this offspring have never smelled bird cherry. But if they include the smell of bird cherry, 50% of these mice will get nervous. Suppose their parents taught them. Small mice are immediately taken from their parents. And still, with the smell of bird cherry, 50% of mice start to get nervous. Then they take the offspring of these mice. So, 25% of their offspring will start to get nervous at the smell of bird cherry. These mice never even interacted with those who were hit by the current. Never. But this thing gets into genetic memory. And in this sense, Darwin's theory does not fully work. Darwin's theory says that genetic changes occur: natural selection - more adapted individuals survive, as a result of variability and conservatism, the whole species changes. That is, Darwin's theory does not have any version that the facts that happen to an individual during life will be embedded in the genetic memory.

- How many generations will this be erased from the genetic memory, in your opinion?

- Fourth-fifth-sixth generation. But for democratic institutions to develop, we need to start working on this today.